Well, I downloaded a file called UFOINFO.ZIP the other day and figured that I may as well try to respond to some of the allegations made in there. This is just quick and off the cuff, I haven't taken the time to quote sources as I should, but then again that drivel really doesn't deserve too much of my time. If anyone is interested in reading the real truth behind this stuff, and seeing things in the light of rational thinking, try writing for the publication of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal. The Skeptical Inquirer Box 229 Buffalo N.Y. 14215-0229 For subscriptions (about twenty five dollars a year for the quarterly publication) 1-800-634-1610 or 1-716-834-3222 in NY. You may find it interesting to read the real story behind the UFO's and other "mysteries" of the world! You may also just like it because occasionally, some writers offer large sums of money for proof of relatively simple acts, such as actually finding water by dowsing, predicting the future or reporting an abduction by spaceship to the FBI! Quick looks at the "facts" in the document 1. As is typical with astrologers, parapsychologists, new age gurus and the lunatic fringe of the American UFO hangers on, there are only a few pieces of verifiable information in the entire document. Examining them at random: References to the sightings on the USS Tyroot SS-416. We have here the classic "mysterious military sighting". Whats really mysterious is that long after the logs have been declassified that we must rely on the verbal accounts of a person who has a vested financial interest in the perpetuation of his stories instead of being allowed to read copies of the actual ships log where the event was recorded. (Oh yes, but I forgot, this is a conspiracy, so no doubt those pages have disappeared!) Groom Lake sightings. This is a new one to me although I have not been keeping abreast of the UFO stories lately. Perhaps someone from that area could forward me the names of the local newspapers, and we could do a little basic research. I do find it interesting given today's batch of publicity hungry geeks on television (Geraldo etc.) and the ratings battle between the news networks, that not a single one of them chose to cash in on a sure thing like UFO sightings "... every night, they go up there and watch them test fly the alien craft ...every night!" Imagine how many viewers they could attract with the first live broadcast of real UFO's! The infamous MJ-12 papers get mentioned here. These are quite verifiable, as frauds, and have been identified as such for years The signature on the documents was photocopied, and the entire document was typed on a typewriter that wasn't built until many years after the papers were supposedly written. Ah Mr. Lear gets his mention in here also! He is the brother of the man of Lear jet fame and has attempted to ride on his brothers reputation for years. What seems to have been neglected here is the fact that Lear was ousted as head of one of the largest UFO groups in the country, because he was even too weird for THEM! Mr Lear is responsible for filing several lawsuits against the U.S. government claiming that the government has entered into a treaty with an alien race whereby we trade human flesh ( a food source for the aliens) in return for military technology. Need I say more? Some things that would be interesting to know: About Professor James Oberth Exactly what "special" award did he receive? From which "government" did he receive it? Where and when did the ceremony take place, Could we see his comments in context instead of fragments again retold by, you guessed it... someone with a financial interest in this story being accepted at face value. How 'bout them Kennedy sources? Names and dates please, not ravings. The MJ-12 papers are known frauds, so now why exactly was the president killed? This "...recoilless, electrically operated, gas-powered assassination pistol...". Again this is a new one to me, but... Put yourself in the position of the head hog of the CIA or whatever organization is performing an assassination. You are faced with some difficult choices for how to eliminate this problem person. You must pick one of the following, keeping in mind you must be able deny it was part of a conspiracy... 1. Untracable poison or nerve agent, resulting in a quiet death in his/her own home or hotel room with no witnesses a. in his/her dinner b. in his/her laxative c. in his/her tea 2. A tragic accident in which the resulting fire destroys all traces of evidence. a. plane crash. b. car crash. c. train crash. 3. An unfortunate household accident that occurs, as usual, without a single witnesses. a. electrocution. b. falling down stairs. c. slipping in the shower. 4. A break in and murder late at night, where there are no witnesses except the murderer, who is: a. a raving lunatic. b. a jealous husband. c. a jealous girlfriend. d. a jealous boyfriend. 5. Have several people shoot him during a parade with thousands of people in attendance, in a open top limo surrounded by hundreds of law enforcement personnel who are all trained observers. And oh yes, make sure the driver has a special "...recoilless, electrically operated, gas-powered assassination pistol that was specially built by the CIA..." just in case the two "marksmen" you sent cannot hit a man sitting stationary in a car moving less than twenty miles per hour in a straight line. And remember, you DO have to identify all the people who MAY see the backup gunman, find out which ones actually saw anything, get their names and clandestinely eliminate them to prevent a messy incident. And tell those gunmen to SMILE 'cause you know for certain they are on TV! And don't kill the wife, on the off chance she didn't happen to notice the guy in the front seat shoot the man she was holding in her arms. As an aside, please note the probable misuse of statistics in the Kennedy story. Claiming 1 in 300,000 trillion is most likely incorrect, although I am not an expert in that area. Since most of the people nearest the car were law enforcement or secret service people, the expected death rate would likely be higher than for the average person. This assumes that those people actually did die, of which we are never offered names, dates and places for the 18 who were supposedly killed. Okay, thats about as far as I could get into this flimsy document without overly depressing myself! Tying together the Kennedy assassination, drug use, government conspiracy, military secrecy and genius rocket scientists must have taken a great deal of time, and I haven't got that much time to spend debunking it, but then, anyone with a rational mind has figured it out by now, and anyone without a rational mind, well... where does Satanic cults fit into the big "plot"??? What about Rap music and flag burning? You know that has to be part of the "big plan". And don't forget, no one really has come up with a good explanation for that face on Mars, and you know I really have always wondered where that strange guy next door goes in the middle of the night... As a postscript, I should mention that I am aware I have made some of the same errors as the original posting in not quoting sources etc. Again I must recommend the Skeptical Inquirer for those of you who really do wish to know the rational explanation for UFO's and things that go bump in the night, as well as the actual sources for the reports. They cover most or all of the claims made in the file posted as UFOINFO.ZIP, and serve as the best source of information on critical thinking that I am aware of. Skeptically yours, Dan Haynes Any other skeptics out there who wish to talk: on Bix dhaynes on Genie xmg21607 on Exec PC dan haynes I welcome communication from UFO proponents, psychics etc, but only from those who are truly interested in learning the objective truth. No raving lunatics or slick con men please.