Well, I downloaded a file called UFOINFO.ZIP the other day and figured
    that I may as well try to respond to some of the allegations made in
    there. This is just quick and off the cuff, I haven't taken the time
    to quote sources as I should, but then again that drivel really doesn't
    deserve too much of my time. If anyone is interested in reading the
    real truth behind this stuff, and seeing things in the light of rational
    thinking, try writing for the publication of the Committee for the
    Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal.

	The Skeptical Inquirer
	Box 229
	Buffalo N.Y.
		 14215-0229

	For subscriptions (about twenty five dollars a year for the
	quarterly publication) 1-800-634-1610 or 1-716-834-3222 in NY.

	You may find it interesting to read the real story behind the
	UFO's and other "mysteries" of the world! You may also just
	like it because occasionally, some writers offer large sums of
	money for proof of relatively simple acts, such as actually
	finding water by dowsing, predicting the future or reporting an
	abduction by spaceship to the FBI!


    Quick looks at the "facts" in the document

	1. As is typical with astrologers, parapsychologists, new age gurus
	   and the lunatic fringe of the American UFO hangers on, there
	   are only a few pieces of verifiable information in the entire
	   document. Examining them at random:

	   References to the sightings on the USS Tyroot SS-416. We have
	   here the classic "mysterious military sighting". Whats really
	   mysterious is that long after the logs have been declassified
	   that we must rely on the verbal accounts of a person who has a
	   vested financial interest in the perpetuation of his stories
	   instead of being allowed to read copies of the actual ships
	   log where the event was recorded. (Oh yes, but I forgot, this 
	   is a conspiracy, so no doubt those pages have disappeared!)

	   Groom Lake sightings. This is a new one to me although I have
	   not been keeping abreast of the UFO stories lately.
	   Perhaps someone from that area could forward me the names of
	   the local newspapers, and we could do a little basic research.
	   I do find it interesting given today's batch of publicity hungry
	   geeks on television (Geraldo etc.) and the ratings battle between
	   the news networks, that not a single one of them chose to cash
	   in on a sure thing like UFO sightings "... every night, they go
	   up there and watch them test fly the alien craft ...every night!"

	   Imagine how many viewers they could attract with the first live
	   broadcast of real UFO's!

	   The infamous MJ-12 papers get mentioned here. These are quite
	   verifiable, as frauds, and have been identified as such for years
	   The signature on the documents was photocopied, and the entire
	   document was typed on a typewriter that wasn't built until many
	   years after the papers were supposedly written.

	   Ah Mr. Lear gets his mention in here also! He is the brother
	   of the man of Lear jet fame and has attempted to ride on his
	   brothers reputation for years. What seems to have been neglected
	   here is the fact that Lear was ousted as head of one of the
	   largest UFO groups in the country, because he was even too weird
	   for THEM! Mr Lear is responsible for filing several lawsuits
	   against the U.S. government claiming that the government has
	   entered into a treaty with an alien race whereby we trade human
	   flesh ( a food source for the aliens) in return for military
	   technology. Need I say more?


    Some things that would be interesting to know:

	About Professor James Oberth

	   Exactly what "special" award did he receive?

	   From which "government" did he receive it?

	   Where and when did the ceremony take place,

	   Could we see his comments in context instead of fragments again
	   retold by, you guessed it... someone with a financial interest
	   in this story being accepted at face value.


	How 'bout them Kennedy sources?

	   Names and dates please, not ravings.

	   The MJ-12 papers are known frauds, so now why exactly was the
	   president killed?

	   This "...recoilless, electrically operated, gas-powered
	   assassination pistol...". Again this is a new one to me, but...

	   Put yourself in the position of the head hog of the CIA or
	   whatever organization is performing an assassination. You are
	   faced with some difficult choices for how to eliminate this
	   problem person. You must pick one of the following, keeping
	   in mind you must be able deny it was part of a conspiracy...

		1. Untracable poison or nerve agent, resulting in a quiet
		   death in his/her own home or hotel room with no witnesses
			a. in his/her dinner
			b. in his/her laxative
			c. in his/her tea

		2. A tragic accident in which the resulting fire destroys
		   all traces of evidence.
			a. plane crash.
			b. car crash.
			c. train crash.

		3. An unfortunate household accident that occurs, as usual,
		   without a single witnesses.
			a. electrocution.
			b. falling down stairs.
			c. slipping in the shower.

		4. A break in and murder late at night, where there
		   are no witnesses except the murderer, who is:
			a. a raving lunatic.
			b. a jealous husband.
			c. a jealous girlfriend.
			d. a jealous boyfriend.

		5. Have several people shoot him during a parade with
		   thousands of people in attendance, in a open top
		   limo surrounded by hundreds of law enforcement
		   personnel who are all trained observers. And oh yes,
		   make sure the driver has a special "...recoilless,
		   electrically operated, gas-powered assassination pistol
		   that was specially built by the CIA..." just in case
		   the two "marksmen" you sent cannot hit a man sitting
		   stationary in a car moving less than twenty miles per
		   hour in a straight line. And remember, you DO have to
		   identify all the people who MAY see the backup gunman,
		   find out which ones actually saw anything, get their
		   names and clandestinely eliminate them to prevent
		   a messy incident. And tell those gunmen to SMILE 'cause
		   you know for certain they are on TV! And don't kill the
		   wife, on the off chance she didn't happen to notice the
		   guy in the front seat shoot the man she was holding in
		   her arms.

		   As an aside, please note the probable misuse of statistics
		   in the Kennedy story. Claiming 1 in 300,000 trillion is
		   most likely incorrect, although I am not an expert in that
		   area. Since most of the people nearest the car were law
		   enforcement or secret service people, the expected death
		   rate would likely be higher than for the average person.
		   This assumes that those people actually did die, of which
		   we are never offered names, dates and places for the 18 who
		   were supposedly killed.

    Okay, thats about as far as I could get into this flimsy document
    without overly depressing myself!

    Tying together the Kennedy assassination, drug use, government
    conspiracy, military secrecy and genius rocket scientists must have
    taken a great deal of time, and I haven't got that much time to spend
    debunking it, but then, anyone with a rational mind has figured it out
    by now, and anyone without a rational mind, well... where does Satanic
    cults fit into the big "plot"??? What about Rap music and flag burning?
    You know that has to be part of the "big plan". And don't forget, no
    one really has come up with a good explanation for that face on Mars,
    and you know I really have always wondered where that strange guy next
    door goes in the middle of the night...


    As a postscript, I should mention that I am aware I have made some of
    the same errors as the original posting in not quoting sources etc. Again
    I must recommend the Skeptical Inquirer for those of you who really do
    wish to know the rational explanation for UFO's and things that go
    bump in the night, as well as the actual sources for the reports. They
    cover most or all of the claims made in the file posted as UFOINFO.ZIP,
    and serve as the best source of information on critical thinking that
    I am aware of.

	    Skeptically yours,
		Dan Haynes


    Any other skeptics out there who wish to talk:

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    I welcome communication from UFO proponents, psychics etc, but only from
    those who are truly interested in learning the objective truth. No raving
    lunatics or slick con men please.